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sampa
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 Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism I very much enjoy Zen Buddhism. My favorite bit of Zen. Quote: The clouds above us come together and disperse;
The breeze in the courtyard departs and returns.
Life is like that, so why not relax?
Who can keep us from celebrating?
Lu-Yu
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Plekto
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism I'm sorry ( i like that passage as well), but I can't help but imagine a Godzilla foot coming down... 
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poet
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism Love it, sampa: Haiku meets Zen!
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Arlo
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism Quote: I certainly agree that the behaviors and practices of some cultures are evil: Nazism was evil; radical Islamic terrorism is evil; not allowing girls any sort of education is evil; killing people who don't agree with you is evil, etc., etc. There is nothing about Existentialism that would cause me to say that any of these practices is not evil. Poet, On what basis do you condemn the behaviors and practices of some cultures? They were people just like you and me. They had the same needs and desires as you and me. They believed they were doing the right thing. What makes your existentialism better than their existentialism?
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spblat
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism Please take it to another thread. This is not a thread about judgement and condemnation, it is a thread about Buddhism.
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spblat
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism Where's the evidence Buddha was anything more than a disillusioned spoiled brat? Arlo's childish hostility and overt tactlessness seem to know no bounds. Yet he still does not see. Buddhism's value as a spiritual practice exists independently of whether Siddhartha existed or not. Perhaps Arlo is projecting concerns about his own religion, for doubtless the same cannot be said of the person at the center of his own particular faith. If Jesus is still dead, then He was just another man, and much worse, He would have been a liar or lunatic. I'm not following someone like that. Also, if Jesus is still dead, then I am still in my sins, a real bummer dude. Hundreds of millions of people achieve comfort and growth from the practice of Buddhism. If natural history were to falsify the existence of Siddhartha, or elements of his life story, I submit that virtually nothing would change in their lives. (I also believe that most Christians are similarly uninterested in any hard or fast evidence concerning Jesus. They, like the Buddhists, have no need to buttress their faith with unobtainable incontrovertible facts and are--like me--content with a measure of wonder and unknown in their lives. That's for another thread too.)
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Arlo
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism Quote: Buddhism's value as a spiritual practice exists independently of whether Siddhartha existed or not. Spblat, The person of Jesus Christ, His birth, death and resurrection are absolutely critical to Christianity. There is no Christianity without Him. And we have the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses. You are saying you don't even know if the Budda ever existed and it doesn't even matter if he did.
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spblat
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism I think Arlo has it now.
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Ozymandias
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism As for tolerance for the beliefs of other cultures, I do not nor will not tolerated a culture (Islam) where a woman may not go to school, drive a car or leave the house without her husband's permission, beating an insubordinate wife is permissible, female mutilation is obligatory, adultery is punishable by stoning. Deut. 22:23-24 wrote: If there is a girl who is a virgin engaged to a man, and another man finds her in the city and lies with her, then you shall bring them both out to the gate of that city and you shall stone them to death; the girl, because she did not cry out in the city, and the man, because he has violated his neighbor's wife.. There are cultures out there as I have described. It does not bother me to condemn their practices. In fact, it would bother me if I did not condemn their culture. Those cultures are evil.
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horatio
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism The person of Jesus Christ, His birth, death and resurrection are absolutely critical to Christianity. There is no Christianity without Him. And we have the testimony of hundreds of eyewitnesses. You have the testimony of exactly 0 eyewitnesses.
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spblat
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism Please take it to another thread. This is not a thread about judgement and condemnation, it is a thread about Buddhism.
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sampa
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism I think it very unlikely that the Buddha really existed. Most likely it was a small school of Hinduism that originated the philosophy and the stories about Buddha.
The philosophy stands on its own, whether Siddhartha existed or not. Much like the stories of Aesop stand on their own, whether he existed or not. There is real wisdom in the story of the tortoise and the hare, but relatively few people think the race really took place.
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Re: There is much wisdom to be found in Buddhism This seems reasonable to me, Sampa--his bio sounds like legend. Perhaps there was some basis in fact, but--as happens--the legend grew beyond the actual person.
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